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Is the Torah like the Qur’an Surah 28:48-49

Salam,

This article is in response to Sam Shamoun and Jochen Katz challenge in their website “answeringIslam.net” in which they claimed that the author of the Quran many challenges to come with a book similar to the Quran has been met.

Surah 28:48-49 But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, “Why are not (Signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?” Do they not then reject (the Signs) which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: “Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!” And they say: “For us, we reject all (such things)!” Say: “Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than either of them, that I may follow it! (do), if ye are truthful!”

In the Quran Sam and Jochen claimed God seem to pose several challenges shown as in Surah 11:13 Or, do they say: He has forged it. Say: Then bring ten forged chapters like it (mithlihi) and call upon whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful. And in Surah 17:88 Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran (bimithlihi hatha al-Qurani), they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others. Further in Surah 52:33-34 Or do they say: He has forged it. Nay! they do not believe. Then let them bring an announcement like it (mithlihi) if they are truthful. Based on these verses above, Muslims are convinced that the Quran is absolutely unique and unparalleled. For many it is an important element in their belief in the divine origin of the Quran that nobody was ever able to meet this particular challenge. In this article we want to focus on the amazing fact that there are statements in the Quran which acknowledge that this challenge has already been met! The Quran asserts that the revelation given to Moses is similar and equal to the Quran. Consider the following passage at Surah 28:48-49 which are being quoted on the first paragraph of this article. Muhammad challenges the unbelievers to bring a book which is not only a better guide than the Quran, but also better than the book of Moses! This presumes that the book of Moses was (a) available during Muhammad’s time, and (b) equal to the Quran in terms of guidance. The Quran goes on to state that the previous scriptures are similar to it, being just like it (mithlihi), the very same expression as found in the verses quoted at the beginning of this paper:

In Surah 46:10-12 Say: “See ye? If (this teaching) be from Allah, and ye reject it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity (with earlier scripture), and has believed while ye are arrogant, (how unjust ye are!) truly, Allah guides not a people unjust.” The Unbelievers say of those who believe: “If (this Message) were a good thing, (such men) would not have gone to it first, before us!” And seeing that they guide not themselves thereby, they will say, “this is an (old,) falsehood!” And before this, was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: And this Book confirms (it) in the Arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right. Note the structure of the argument: assuming the divine origin of the Torah, the author of the Quran argues that because the Quran is “like the Torah”, therefore it is of divine origin as well. In this context at least, the Quran seeks to derive its authority from the authority of the Torah. However, the relation of “being like it” is symmetric, i.e. “the Quran being like the Torah” implies also “the Torah being like the Quran”. Thus, based on the testimony of the Quran itself, the Torah is like it, and therefore meets the above quoted challenge “to bring something like it”. The evidence provided in this article has several implications. It is evident from the above citations that the author of the Quran believed that the Holy Bible, or at least the book of Moses, met the Quran’s challenge to produce something like it. Yet if, as Muslims often claim, the book of Moses had been tampered with then how can a corrupted text be like the Quran seeing that it is no longer purely divine in origin? How can human additions match the so-called divinely inspired Quranic text? Are we to assume that the author of the Quran was asserting that a corrupted text claiming to be the book of Moses was of equal value as the Quran? Obviously not, which means that firstly the Quran presumes that the previous Scriptures existed in a pure form during Muhammad’s time. Furthermore, the Torah had to be readily available for comparison (a) with the Quran and (b) with those hypothetical competitors, should somebody take up the challenge “to bring a book better than these two”. Neither the argument for the Quran based on its similarity to the Torah (Surah 46:10) nor the challenge to bring a book better than the Torah (Surah 28:49) would make any sense if the Torah is not available to actually perform the necessary comparison. Thus, the obvious assumption behind the formulations found in the Quran verses is that the Torah is in its entirety of divine origin, and the Quran is as well. The Quran neither states that the Torah was corrupted before the time of Muhammad, nor does it contain any warning or prophecy that such a corruption would happen in the future. It assumes and endorses the authority of the Torah without any reservations. Secondly, the Quran teaches that at least parts, if not all, of the previous Scriptures are similar to the Quran, and even match it, in terms of content and guidance. In light of the foregoing, the only thing that a Jew or Christian need to do for the purpose of meeting the Quran’s challenge is to present citations from the Holy Bible, which is actually vastly superior to the Quran. We would like to emphasize explicitly that from the Christian perspective there is no comparison between the Holy Bible and the Quran, contrary to what the Quran claims. The Holy Bible is the inspired inerrant word of the true God, and the Quran is not. The Quran is only a very poor imitation of God’s true and pure word.

Those Muslims who despite all the evidence to the contrary still insist that the Quran teaches the corruption of the earlier scriptures, will have to face another dilemma first if you accept the Quran’s verdict that the Torah is like it (Surah 28:49, Surah 46:10), then the challenge was met before it was issued. It will be hard to avoid the implication that this challenge was published rather thoughtlessly, which in turn questions its alleged divine origin. Even more, this assumption of a corrupted Torah would result in an internal contradiction in the Quran: According to the above quoted passages, Surah 2:24 and 17:88, the author of the Quran claims it is impossible for men (and jinn) to bring anything that is “like it”. If, however, the Torah of Muhammad’s time and ours is not the original divinely inspired text but the product of human efforts of change and corruption, and the Quran still says that “it is like it” (Surah 46:10), then this becomes a plain contradiction. Secondly, you reject this statement of the Qur’an regarding the Torah being like it. Why then would you believe the Qur’an to be from God if you reject what it says as being wrong?

To answer Sam Shamoun and Jochen Katz accusation on all the above alleged inconsistency first it is important to clarify the text of the verses which Allah made His challenges to the disbelievers at Surah 11:13 Or they may say, “He forged it,” Say, “Bring ye then ten chapters forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah! If ye speak the truth! Sam and Jochen claimed that since the relation of the Quran and the Torah of “being like it” then it is symmetric, i.e. “the Quran being like the Torah” implies also “the Torah being like the Quran”. Thus, based on the testimony of the Quran itself, the Torah is like it, and therefore meets the above quoted challenge “to bring something like it”.

It must be emphasized that when Allah make the challenge in the Quran to come with a book better than the Quran or the Torah, it is not for anybody to come with a Torah and claim that it meets the challenge since Allah said so in the Quran, that the Torah is being like the Quran. The challenge is to bring a book other than these two books and get the help of others beside Allah. It is either they come with a book better than the Quran or the Torah to put up the challenge. However, if they put a book saying that it is a better book or similar than the Torah mentioned in the Quran, then there the process to evaluate and to meet the requirement stated int the Quran qualifying that the Torah is from Allah. The Torah is like the Quran and is of divine origin only if its context and contents is overseer or guarded by the truth of the Quran and this is applied for the Gospel or Injil as well as stated in Surah 5:48  And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so, He will let you know that in which you differed. Thus, only after these requirements have been fulfilled only then the Torah or the Injil can be considered like the Quran. The other requirement is that there must be a witness from the children of Israel to testify the similarities otherwise the claim of Sam Shamoun and Jochen Katz is null and void as stated in Surah 46:10 “See ye? If (this teaching) be from Allah, and ye reject it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity (with earlier scripture), and has believed while ye are arrogant. Unless and until a witness from the Children of Israel can testify none can pick and claim any Torah or Inji to be the one from Allah and of similar to that of the Quran. As can be seen, there is therefore qualifications for the Torah to be like the Quran or for it to be similarly divine.

On the challenge at Surah 17:88 Allah provoke that none can produce the like of the whole Quran even if Jinns and mankind were to combine to produce one like it. Based on these verses above, Muslims are convinced that the Quran is absolutely unique and unparalleled. For many it is an important element in their belief in the divine origin of the Quran that nobody was ever able to meet this particular challenge. This is true and cannot be disputed as there is no such religious book of the same size of the Quran with the original language having been preserved since its completion as that of the Quran being preserved for fourteen hundred year. And the amazing facts is that millions of devotees have been memorizing the Quran beginning with the Prophet himself being the first “Al Hafitz” or those “memorizing the whole Quran. These are some of the reasons Muslims believed that none have met this challenge.

On their claim that “The Quran neither states that the Torah was corrupted before the time of Muhammad, nor does it contain any warning or prophecy that such a corruption would happen in the future. With addition, they claimed it assumes and endorses the authority of the Torah without any reservations.” This is a false statement from Sam and Jochen as the Quran in many verses confirmed previous scriptures were not without errors. These verses showed the previous scriptures have been manipulated as stated in Surah 5:15-17 O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, Wherewith Allah guide all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety, and lead them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light, guide them to a path that is straight. In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all everyone that is on the earth? For to Allah belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He creates what He please. For Allah hath power over all things.” Further there were evidence that the Jews corrupted their book as stated in Surah 6:91 No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: “Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)” Say: “Who then sent down the Book which Moses brought?- a light and guidance to man: But ye make it into (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents): therein were ye taught that which ye knew not neither ye nor your fathers.” Say: “Allah (sent it down)”: Then leave them to plunge in vain discourse and trifling. This verse is therefore giving proof that Allah Torah is different from those of the Jewish and the Christians scriptures who had manipulated their books and to claim that those books were divine as that of the Quran is more of a farce.

Further to quote them saying “We would like to emphasize explicitly that from the Christian perspective there is no comparison between the Holy Bible and the Quran, contrary to what the Quran claims. The Holy Bible is the inspired inerrant word of the true God, and the Quran is not. The Quran is only a very poor imitation of God’s true and pure word.” In refutation to this claim, it is better for them to bring evidences from the Quran what has been poor imitation or more appropriate to bring what is falsehood being there is in the Quran.

In conclusion the Torah or the Gospel were also guidance from Allah is not without qualification, it was the guidance before Prophet’s Muhammad’s time as this is clearly spelt out in Surah 3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind. The Torah and the Gospel will be guidance as that equal to the Quran only after the Quran verify and confirm with the truth in the Quran as what is quoted in those scriptures. But most important the Quran is guardian over previous scriptures as stated in Surah 5:48 And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it. And more it is stated in Surah 27:76 Verily this Qur’an doth explain to the Children of Israel most of the matters in which they disagree. Thus, unless the Jews and the Christians can verify and adjust their messages of their scriptures to the truth of the Quran, they can never claim that the Torah or the Gospel is equal in divinity to the Quran. There are no such verses in the Torah or the Gospel as that quoted in the Quran being stated in Surah 15:9 We have, without doubt, sent down the Message (the Quran); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). Or that which Is stated in Surah 39:28 (It is) a Qur’an in Arabic, without any crookedness (therein): in order that they may guard against Evil. And also stated in Surah 41:42 No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise. And the message of the Quran will not come from the Devil as stated in Surah 26:110-113 No evil ones have brought down this (Revelation): It would neither suit them nor would they be able (to produce it). Indeed, they have been removed far from even (a chance of) hearing it. So, call not on any other god with Allah, or thou wilt be among those under the Penalty.

Asar

Is all thing good and evil from Allah?

Salam,

This article is in response to a column in the website answering Islam making allegation of a contradiction in the Quran whether only good comes from Allah or good and bad both comes from Allah.

Surah 4:78-79 – Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, “This is from Allah “; and if evil befalls them, they say, “This is from you.” Say, “All (things) are from Allah.” So what is (the matter) with those people that they can hardly understand any statement? What comes to you of good is from Allah, but what comes to you of evil, is from yourself. And We have sent you, (O Muhammad), to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.

The allegation is that the contradiction is seen when in Surah 4:78 claim all things are from Allah but immediately in the next verse according to Surah 4:79 “Whatever good happen to thee is from Allah; but whatever evil happens to thee is from thyself.” Evil things are without doubt a subset of “all things”, and if “all things are from Allah” then the evil things are from Allah as well, and the author of the Qur’an cannot pass the guilt on and blame others as done in Surah 4:79. It is interesting that Muhammad would contradict himself within two consecutive verses and then write three verses later that discrepancy is a sign that it is not from God as stated in Surah 4:82  Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. But this topic is not over with just yet. In Surah 38:41 Commemorate Our Servant Job, behold he cried out to his Lord:  “Satan has afflicted me with distress and suffering!” Now we have a third party joining the contest for responsibility. Is evil from ourselves? Is it from Satan? Or is it from Allah? Any two of them contradict each other, but in particular do the first two (Surah 4:79, Surah 38:41) contradict the third (Surah 4:78) as Allah claimed all things as from himself.

The Words of Allah proved true for the disbelievers “they failed to understand a single fact!” as confirmed by the verses which say in Surah 4:78 Say: “All things are from Allah.” But what hath come to these people that they fail to understand a single fact? Surah 4:79 Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah; but whatever evil happens to thee, is from thy (own) soul. The principle belief in the teaching of the Quran is there is no evil created by Allah, He only create good. Originally everything is good but it was made evil by His creatures. All that is good is from Allah Surah 3:26 “…..In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power.” And here again it is stated at Surah 16:30 To the righteous (when) it is said, “What is it that your Lord has revealed?” they say, “All that is good.” To those who do good there is good in this world and the Home of the Hereafter is even better and excellent indeed is the Home of the righteous.

The evil that is in this world is not from Allah, the Devil Iblis became evil out of his doing and also man soul is prone himself to evil. The example of Iblis became the Devil was because he disobeyed Allah’s command and declared to divert man away from Allah guidance as depicted in Surah 17:61-63 Behold! We said to the angels: “Bow down unto Adam”: They bowed down except Iblis: He said, “Shall I bow down to one whom Thou did create from clay?” He said: “See Thou? This is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway – all but a few!” (Allah) said: “Go thy way; if any of them follow thee, verily hell will be the recompense of you (all) an ample recompense. And here is another example how he (Iblis) turned good into evil as in Surah 2:102 They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men magic and such things as came down at Babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: “We are only for trial; so, do not blaspheme.” They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah’s permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. So originally what was brought by the angels were of good but the devil turn it into something evil.

And here are more examples to explain that evil do not come from Allah but out of the doing of man himself who crafted the golden calf in Surah 20:95-96 (Moses) said: “What then is thy case, O Samiri?” He replied: “I saw what they saw not: so, I took a handful (of dust) from the footprint of the Messenger, and threw it (into the calf): thus, did my soul suggest to me.” In addition, the evil of killing was not inspired by Allah but from the soul of one of the sons in the story of Adam in Surah 5:30 The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones. Thus, in the narration of Job at Surah 38:41 evil was the doing of the Devil and has nothing to do with Allah. There is freewill as the Devil can lure man away from the right path to create evil as stated in Surah 5:90 Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain? Therefore, there is no contradiction in the Quran as no evil comes from Allah as everything comes from Him are only good. The evil originated from other than Him from the dark whispering of man’s own soul or from the devil.

Asar

 

Did Muhammad see his Lord? (Surah 53:1-18)

Salam,

Surah 53:1 -18 By the Star when it goes down, Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him: He was taught by one Mighty in Power, Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form); While he was in the highest part of the horizon: Then he approached and came closer, And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer; So did (Allah) convey the inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (meant) to convey. The (Prophet’s) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw. Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw? For indeed he saw him at a second descent, Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass: Near it is the Garden of Abode. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong! For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!

Sam Shamoun claimed that the Quran suggests that Muhammad saw Allah, that he had a vision in which Allah appeared to him visibly as shown by the Surah 53:1-18 as stated above. He said the above verses referred to an unnamed comrade who has not gone astray and who does not speak out of caprice. Muslims unanimously take this to be an obvious reference to Muhammad. It goes on to say that he (Muhammad) was taught by one terrible in power, very strong (Allah), and that he (Allah) stood poised and drew near and revealed to his servant (Muhammad) the revelation. The expression “revealed to his servant” clearly shows that this is speaking of Allah and Muhammad, that Allah appeared to Muhammad in order to grant him revelation. The text cannot be saying that Gabriel appeared to Muhammad since this would imply that the latter is the servant of Gabriel.

Further Sam Shamoun added it is said in Surah 81:15-29 So verily I call to witness the planets – that recede, go straight, or hide; And the Night as it dissipates; and the Dawn as it breathes away the darkness.  Verily this is the word of a most honourable Messenger, Endued with Power, with rank before the Lord of the Throne, With authority there, (and) faithful to his trust. And (O people!) your companion is not one possessed; And without doubt he saw him in the clear horizon. Neither doth he withholds grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen. Nor is it the word of an evil spirit accursed. When whither go ye? Verily this is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds: (With profit) to whoever among you wills to go straight: But ye shall not will except as Allah wills, the Cherisher of the Worlds.

The above reference according to Sam Shamoun seems to be saying that Muhammad is the companion who is not possessed, the noble messenger having power who is secure with the Lord of the throne, i.e. Allah. There is even another text which identifies Muhammad as a noble messenger stated in Surah 69:40-47 That this is verily the word of an honoured apostle; It is not the word of a poet: little it is ye believe! Nor is it the word of a soothsayer: little admonition it is ye receive. (This is) a Message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds. And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart: Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath). If this is the case Sam said then Surah 81:15-29 is another reference to Muhammad seeing Allah on a clear horizon. The Quran also says that no one can see Allah at Surah 6:102-103 That is Allah, your Lord! there is no god but He, the Creator of all things: then worship ye Him: and He hath power to dispose of all affairs. No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things. And in Surah 42:51 t is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah’s permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise. Then Sam Shamoun concluded that In light of this plain denial of anyone being able to see Allah it is therefore not surprising to find conflicting views and narrations which deny that Muhammad saw his lord.

In response to the above, this is a clear case of a fabrication of an alleged contradiction which is against the basic principle of Islam which is brought by Muhammad the messenger of Allah. The basic principle of Islam is to believe in the Unseen God as stated in Surah 67.12 As for those who fear their Lord unseen, for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward. And it is also for Him to test His servants as stated in Surah 5.94 O ye who believe! Allah doth but make a trial of you in a little matter of game well within reach of game well within reach of your hands and your lances, that He may test who fear him unseen: any who transgress thereafter, will have a grievous penalty. It is the basic teaching that Muslims have been taught in the Quran in Surah 6:103 No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things. He is nearer than most people would have taught as in Surah 50:16 It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.

With such a faith to believe in the unseen God, Sam Shamoun will only have falsehood by claiming that Muhammad have seen Allah in Surah 53:1-18 as being quoted above to support his argument. By putting it in the correct perspective below are the verses with the various entities inserted in brackets for all the pronouns so the message is understood to be more clear at Surah 53:4-18 It is no less than inspiration sent down to him (The Prophet): 5. He (The Prophet Muhammad) was taught by one Mighty in Power (Gabriel), 6. Endued with Wisdom: for he (Gabriel) appeared (in stately form); 7. While he (Gabriel) was in the highest part of the horizon: 8. Then he (Gabriel) approached and came closer, 9. And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer; 10. So did (Allah) convey the inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (Allah meant) to convey. 11. The (Prophet’s) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw. 12. Will ye then dispute with him (The Prophet Muhammad) concerning what he saw? 13. For indeed he (The prophet Muhammad) saw him (Gabriel) at a second descent, 14. Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass: 15. Near it is the Garden of Abode. 16. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) 17. (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong! 18. For truly did he (The Prophet Muhammad) see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!

Similarly, in Surah 81:15-29 The Quran is not describing the Prophet Muhammad seeing Allah but he saw the angel Gabriel who is also a messenger of Allah for delivering the inspiration to the Prophet Muhammad as stated in Surah 2:97 Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe. As such by putting the verses in its proper perspective with the entities inserted in the bracket this will be the correct message of the Surah 81:19-27 Verily this is the word of a most honourable Messenger (Gabriel), 20. Endued with Power, with rank before the Lord of the Throne, 21. With authority there, (and) faithful to his (Gabriel) trust. 22. And (O people!) your companion (The Prophet Muhammad) is not one possessed; 23. And without doubt he (The Prophet Muhammad) saw him (Gabriel) in the clear horizon. 24. Neither does he (The Prophet) withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen. 25. Nor is it the word of an evil spirit accursed. 26. When whither go ye? 27. Verily this is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds:

Thus, to rebuff Sam Shamoun argument it is absolutely clear that none have seen Allah or will ever see Allah as the Quran is clear that He is an unseen God but He is presence whatever you may be as is stated in Surah 57:4 He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do. In the final only He will prevail as in Surah 55:26-27 All that is on earth will perish: But will abide (forever) the Presence of thy Lord, full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.

Asar

 

Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong?

Salam,

Below is a critical analysis and a rebuttal on Christian apologist Jochen Katz claimed there is a contradiction in the Quran that if Muhammad is wrong then he has to carry some of the burden of those whom led astray. The analysis and the argument put forward as a rebuttal is did Muhammad guides or lead mankind astray. The main verse that was presented is –

Surah 34:50 Say: “If I am astray, I only stray to the loss of my own soul: but if I receive guidance, it is because of the inspiration of my Lord to me: it is He Who hears all things, and is (ever) near.”

The question is who will suffer the loss if Muhammad was wrong. Surah 34:50 quoted above says that if he goes astray it is for his own loss. which in fact is a severe factual error in the Qur’an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur’an in a number of other verses. The first point is somewhat trivial. Muslims are commanded in the Qur’an to take Muhammad as their model, and therefore many Muslims imitate him in the smallest details of life. They dress like Muhammad, they use a miswak to brush their teeth like Muhammad did, etc. If Muhammad was wrong, then this would mean a life of unnecessary inconvenience for millions of Muslims. There are, however, a lot of not so trivial aspects. If Muhammad’s message and regulations were wrong, he has subjected millions of Muslim women to a life of misery without any reward in return! Moreover, not only those who followed Muhammad have lost, but millions of the so-called “unbelievers” have suffered because Muslims have either killed them for their lack of faith, or forced Muhammad’s regulations on them and subjected them to live as second-class citizens. Ironically, these people have suffered loss even if Muhammad had been a true prophet. Whether Muhammad was astray or guided, many lives have been destroyed by Muslim attacks on unbelievers, so that this statement is not only logically false, but false also in factual history. Under the assumption that Muhammad was a true messenger, those who were killed as unbelievers because they did not accept his message on the spot have lost not only their lives but also the opportunity to become convinced by the truth of Islam by having the time to study the message of Islam in-depth. Had Islam restricted its method of expansion to peaceful proclamation and intellectual persuasion instead of using (also and much too quickly) violence and force, the situation would be vastly different. As it is, these people have lost their lives on earth, and they will suffer eternal punishment because they died in rejection of God’s message. Thus, many unbelievers will suffer eternal loss even if Muhammad was right. Though Muslims may argue that in the Quranic view this may be justified, it is unquestionable that they did suffer temporal and eternal loss due to the violent nature of Islam.

Finally, there is one more crucial observation to be made in this section. Simply looking at how Muhammad dealt with those who propagated a different message than Islam, or voiced critique of Islam, exposes that Muhammad did not even believe this statement himself. In particular, Muhammad’s instruction is: Whoever leaves Islam, kill him (e.g. Sahih Al-Bukhari 4.260). Obviously, Muhammad considered apostasy, and publicly speaking of a belief other than Islam such a grave danger to the Islamic community that the harshest possible measures had to be instituted against it. Nowhere in an Islamic society is open preaching of another religion permitted. Why not, if those who do so will “only go astray to their own loss”? The laws in the Shariah, and the reactions of Muslims towards those who want to publicly invite (Muslims) to another faith prove that they do not believe Surah 34:50 to be true. Although the statement “If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss” is hypothetical (i.e. the assumption is that Muhammad is not astray but on the right path), it stands in obvious tension to a multitude of verses in the Qur’an that demand that believers should obey and follow the messenger (Muhammad), i.e. Muhammad’s words and example are supposed to directly impact those who believe in Allah. Some examples as in Surah 3:32 Say: “Obey Allah and His Messenger”: But if they turn back, Allah love not those who reject Faith. Or in another example at Surah 3:132 And obey Allah and the Messenger; that ye may obtain mercy or stated in Surah 4:13 Those are limits set by Allah: those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (forever) and that will be the supreme achievement. The Qur’an does not only make it mandatory to obey Muhammad’s explicit commands whether they are verses found in the Qur’an or Muhammad’s own words, it makes everything Muhammad does and says the standard to emulate as confirmed in Surah 53:2-5 Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him: He was taught by one Mighty in Power. In Surah 68:4 And thou stand on an exalted standard of character. While in Surah 33:21 Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. Based on verses like these, Muhammad is considered the perfect and divinely endorsed role model, and he is followed in the minutest details of life. As stated above, these verses do not yet posit a clear-cut contradiction to Surah 34:50, but they are in considerable tension. The plain contradiction arises when we add the following verses into the equation: Surah 29:12 And the Unbelievers say to those who believe: “Follow our path, and we will bear (the consequences) of your faults.” Never in the least will they bear their faults: in fact, they are liars! A similar verse saying the same at Surah 16:25 Let them bear, on the Day of Judgment, their own burdens in full, and also (something) of the burdens of those without knowledge, whom they misled. Alas, how grievous the burdens they will bear! Thus, these verses make it clear that “following those who lead you astray” does not absolve you from your own responsibility. On Judgement Day, those leaders will not bear the punishment (burden) for your going astray. Nobody will be able to excuse himself completely with “but I only followed this or that false prophet or teacher”. Surah 16:25 seems to indicate that some part of the burdens of those who were led astray may be put on the one who had misled them, but it still shows that the remainder has to be shouldered by the person who followed the false prophet into transgression and disobedience to God. Thus, those who lead astray cause their followers to suffer divine punishment and eternal loss.

To summarize the above claim of contradiction it is the question who will suffer the loss if Muhammad was wrong as stated in Surah 34:50 Muslims are commanded in the Qur’an to take Muhammad as their model, and therefore many Muslims imitate him in the smallest details of life of Muhammad but he is alleged to kill others because expansion of Islam in by the sword. In refutation to the allegation above, this is a false claim by the accuser as Muslims were to follow and obey Muhammad as he is depicted in the Quran while other sources other than the Quran which has written on his background is questionable. Muslims were commanded to believe in only the Quran and not from other books compiled by men. Having said that, Muslim is to imitate and obeyed him for what he did by examples in the Quran to be followed not to follow the Arab cultures or tradition. It is wrong to make a claim that the Quran make it mandatory to obey Muhammad explicit commands whether they are verses found in the Qur’an or Muhammad’s own words, it makes everything Muhammad does and says the standard to emulate as confirmed in Surah 53:2-5 Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. To comply with this, it is stated in Surah 3:32 Say: “Obey Allah and His Messenger”: But if they turn back, Allah love not those who reject Faith. However, as can be seen both the verses being quoted were concerning the revelations of the Quran and this made it mandatory to obey Muhammad’s in those verses stated above. The revelations of the Quran from the angel Gabriel must be isolated with Muhammad’s personal speech as when he is being an ordinary man. It is only as a messenger he is to be obeyed as this verse confirmed that Muslims were to follow the revelations as stated in In Surah 7:158 Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That give both life and death. So, believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided.” Muslims were to follow the words of Allah and not the man Muhammad. And further it is stated in Surah 4:105 We have sent down to thee the Book in truth, that thou might judge between men, as guided by Allah: so be not (used) as an advocate by those who betray their trust.

It is also in Allah’s words and His revelations in the Quran Muhammad is responsible to uphold and to each man is his own deed that is he is liable to as stated in Surah 42:15 Now then, for that (reason), call (them to the Faith), and stand steadfast as thou art commanded, nor follow thou their vain desires; but say: “I believe in the Book which Allah has sent down; and I am commanded to judge justly between you. Allah is our Lord and your Lord: for us (is the responsibility for) our deeds, and for you for your deeds. There is no contention between us and you. Allah will bring us together, and to Him is (our) Final Goal. It is therefore Allah’s words one is to follow and not the personal words of Muhammad.

It must be reiterated it is a falsehood if it is being reported that Muhammad killed others because they did not believe in his religion, as the principle of Islam that he propagated is far different as stated clearly in Surah 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah hear and know all things. And it is still the principle of no compulsion as he is to uphold as in Surah 18:29 And say, “The truth is from your Lord”: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on! It is recorded in the Quran the Prophet also never initiated war or being the first to create war as he was taught always to be in defensive mode as these verses confirmed as stated in Surah 2:190-193 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you. In Surah 4:75. And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Also stated in Surah 9:13 Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe! Again, in Surah 22:39-40 To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged; and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid; (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, (for no cause) except that they say, “our Lord is Allah. Further in Surah 26:227 Except those who believe, work righteousness, engage much in the remembrance of Allah, and defend themselves only after they are unjustly attacked. And in Surah 42:39 And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, (are not cowed but) help and defend themselves. Thus, the accusation Muhammad being a warmonger is without basis.

The other claim of contradiction is the claim that there are other verses which is in opposition to the above Surah 34:50 that if Muhammad is wrong then the effect of his being wrong he should bear the outcome the same as what the following people does as stated in Surah 29:12 And the Unbelievers say to those who believe: “Follow our path, and we will bear (the consequences) of your faults.” A similar verse saying the same at Surah 16:25 Let them bear, on the Day of Judgment, their own burdens in full, and also (something) of the burdens of those without knowledge, whom they misled. Alas, how grievous the burdens they will bear! Thus, these verses make it clear that “following those who lead others astray” does not absolve the preacher from their own responsibility. On Judgement Day, those leaders will surely also bear the punishment (burden) for the ignorant being led astray.

To answer on the carrying on the burdens by those who lead others astray as stated in Surah 29:12, it is they the unbelievers themselves who entice the believers to follow their wrong path and they themselves declare to bear the faults of those who follow them while Muhammad did not make such a promise. And on the Surah 16:25 it is obvious they will carry their own burden of rejecting the truth and the burden of the propagating falsehood to the ignorant they mislead as they mocked the Quran in the first place and claim it is fables or falsehood as stated at Surah 16:24 When it is said to them, “What is it that your Lord has revealed?” they say, “Tales of the ancients!” Here the unbelievers were the ones who propagated falsehood against the truth from Allah whereas, Muhammad never offer to carry the burden of others or by saying similar to what was said by the unbelievers above but he said in Surah 34:50 Say: “If I am astray, I only stray to the loss of my own soul: but if I receive guidance, it is because of the inspiration of my Lord to me: it is He Who hears all things, and is (ever) near.” Thus, the Surah 29:12 and the Surah 16:25 cannot be associated with Muhammad as he brought the truth from the Lord as Allah Himself commanded others to follow him by following the Quran as stated in Surah 7:158 Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So, believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided.” The punishment therefore is for those who propagate falsehood and not of those who propagate the truth. He also brought nothing new as stated in Surah 46:9 Say: “I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear.” Further he said in Surah 6:50 Say: “I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me.” Say: “can the blind be held equal to the seeing?” Will ye then consider not?

In the final analysis the assertion that if Muhammad is wrong can be concluded that the Quran is never wrong and as Muhammad followed it to the single words as his guidance those who follow him can hope for their salvation in this world and the hereafter and Allah’s mercy will be on them. Whatever errors that Muhammad made as the messenger of Allah has been shown in the Quran where Allah reprimanded and corrected him as shown when he neglected a blind man coming to him to know his message of the Quran in Surah 80:1-4 (The Prophet) frowned and turned away, because there came to him the blind man (interrupting). But what could tell thee but that perchance he might grow (in spiritual understanding)? Or that he might receive admonition, and the teaching might profit him? And in another example Allah did helped him from falling astray as in Surah 4:13 But for the Grace of Allah to thee and his Mercy, a party of them would certainly have plotted to lead thee astray. But (in fact) they will only lead their own souls astray, and to thee they can do no harm in the least. For Allah hath sent down to thee the Book and wisdom and taught thee what thou Knew not (before): And great is the Grace of Allah unto thee. And also, Allah helped him as in Surah 17:73-74 And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in Our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend! And had We not given thee strength, thou wouldst nearly have inclined to them a little.

Thus, to say if Muhammad is wrong then one is to find the error in the Quran that make him wrong and not any other sources that gave doubtful image which is attribute to him. Nevertheless, the Quran specify Muhammad is not the only criteria for salvation as it is stated in Surah 3:144 Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude. Apart from Muhammad, the Prophet Abraham is also an example to follow as stated in Surah 60:4-6 here is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: “We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah. we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever, unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone”: But not when Abraham said to his father: “I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah.” (They prayed): “Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal. “Our Lord! Make us not a (test and) trial for the Unbelievers, but forgive us, our Lord! for Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise.” There was indeed in them an excellent example for you to follow, for those whose hope is in Allah and in the Last Day. But if any turn away, truly Allah is Free of all Wants, Worthy of all Praise. And apart from following the examples of Muhammad and Abraham, there is also the command to follow other prophets as depicted in the Quran in these Surah 6:88-90 This is the guidance of Allah. He gives that guidance to whom He please, of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him, all that they did would be vain for them. These were the men to whom We gave the Book, and authority, and prophethood: if these (their descendants) reject them, Behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new people who reject them not. Those were the (prophets) who received Allah’s guidance: Copy the guidance they received; Say: “No reward for this do I ask of you: This is no less than a message for the nations.”

It is therefore the Quran which is the one that determine whether one will receive the mercy of Allah and His salvation and not the example of a single messenger!

Asar

 

Sam Shamoun and Jochen Katz article on Quran “Will people stay in Hell forever?”

Salam,

This article below is to restate what had been lacking or missing of facts stated in the Quran which result in the claim of inconsistency in the article written by Sam Shamoun and Jochen Katz. The main point being observed is both of them failed to compare the attributes of Allah being eternal and that of His creation whether of the heavens and earth or paradise and hell. The time existence of Allah’s creation can never be comparable to that His own existence!

Surah 32:14 “Taste ye then – for ye forgot the Meeting of this Day of yours, and We too will forget you – taste ye the Penalty of Eternity for your (evil) deeds!”

Sam Shamoun and Jochen Katz said that according to the Quran, heaven and hell is supposed to be eternal life as stated in Surah 41:28 Such is the requital of the enemies of Allah, the Fire: therein will be for them the Eternal Home: a (fit) requital, for that they were wont to reject Our Signs. And in Surah 50:34 “Enter ye therein in Peace and Security; this is a Day of Eternal Life!” However, it says slightly a different concept at Surah 6:128 One day will He gather them all together, (and say): “O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men.” Their friends amongst men will say: “Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term – which thou didst appoint for us.” He will say: “The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein forever, except as Allah will.” for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. Also, the Quran repeat and says the same as long as the heaven and earth endure except as God’s will as stated in Surah 11:106-107 Those who are wretched shall be in the Fire: There will be for them therein (nothing but) the heaving of sighs and sobs: They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord will: for thy Lord is the (sure) accomplisher of what He plan.

The inconsistency is claimed on the expression “except as God will” indicates that IF God wills, he may terminate the stay in hell for (some) people, but it is not stated clearly whether it is actually his will to do so for some people, let alone whether he wills to do this for all people. Regarding the phrase, “for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure”, there are several aspects that need to be pondered. Are heaven and earth eternal, or will they perish? If heaven and earth are eternal (according to Islam), these verses imply that the dwelling in hell will be eternal as well (except if God wills otherwise for some). If the heavens and the earth are not eternal, i.e. they will be destroyed at a certain time, then these verses merely say that these people will stay in hell or paradise (at least) as long as heaven and earth exist (unless God’s will is to terminate their stay earlier). These statements only define a lower limit for the length of time of their stay in hell. It does not say that they will leave hell at the point in time when heaven and earth end. They might continue to stay in hell afterwards, if paradise and hell are somewhere outside of the heavens and the earth. On the other hand, if paradise and hell are part of the heavens and the earth, they will cease to exist with them, but where will their inhabitants go to afterwards? Notice, also, that the same expression, “for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure”, is used not only in reference to the stay in hell but also in reference to the stay in the garden/paradise. If we are to conclude from this passage that the term in hell is limited, does this not equally mean that the term in paradise is limited as well? In other words, if Muslims insist that the believers will stay in paradise forever then nothing in these verses suggests other people will not stay in hell forever. These verses open up only the possibility that the period in hell (and paradise) may be limited, but they do not give a definite promise or conclusive statement in that regard

In response to the above claimed, the expression “except as God will” or “as long as the heavens and the earth endure” is Allah’s way to demonstrate and justify none is equal to Him or none is eternal as He is. Without these words it can be taken once in heaven or in hell they will be live an eternal as God is. But this is not the case as He said in Surah 14:19 See thou not that Allah created the heavens and the earth in Truth? If He so will, He can remove you and put (in your place) a new creation. As one can witness, He is the only One who will prevail over anything as in Surah 18:45 Set forth to them the similitude of the life of this world: It is like the rain which we send down from the skies: the earth’s vegetation absorbs it, but soon it becomes dry stubble, which the winds do scatter: it is (only) Allah who prevails over all things. It is also stated in the Quran everything can perish except Him in Surah 28:88 And call not, besides Allah, on another god. There is no god but He. Everything (that exists) will perish except His own Presence. To Him belongs the Command, and to Him will ye (all) be brought back. It must be reiterated there should be no doubt all is being created by Him thus their beginning and their ends is to Allah as stated in Surah 53:25 But it is to Allah that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong. Surah 55:26-27 All that is on earth will perish: But will abide (forever) the Presence of thy Lord, full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour. Thus, paradise and hell or the heavens and earth cannot end or be lasting to be on equal term with Allah as the first and the last being His attribute as stated in Surah 57:2-5 To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: It is He Who gives Life and Death; and He has Power over all things. He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent: and He has full knowledge of all things. He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do. To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: and all affairs are referred back to Allah.

Nevertheless, His promise is true and in Allah one should put his trust on whatever He decided as in Surah 5:9 To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward. But the greatest pleasure is stated as in Surah 9:72 Allah hath promised to Believers, men and women, gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss is the good pleasure of Allah: that is the supreme felicity. And trust in Allah for His promise is true which is stated in Surah 25:58 And put thy trust in Him Who lives and dies not; and celebrate his praise; and enough is He to be acquainted with the faults of His servants. Thus, heaven and hell is eternity but not equal that of the eternity of Allah and He is true to His promise as in Surah 4:122 But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, we shall soon admit them to gardens, with rivers flowing beneath, to dwell therein forever. Allah’s promise is the truth, and whose word can be truer than Allah’s?

Asar

 

Commenting www.answeringislam.net on messengers and prophets.

Salam,

Here is an interesting article written in the web page www.answeringislam.net with the title “Were Prophets from among all nations or only from Abraham’s seed? The first verse of the Quran that was quoted is at Surah 29:27 And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous.

With reference to the above verse the writer makes a claim of contradiction in the Quran by questioning whether all prophets were from among all nations or from Abraham’s seed only. In Surah 29:27 above it is stated that all prophets came from Abraham’s seed. But Surah16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people. In Surah 29:27 as stated above there are some will debate whether “his seed” refers to Jacob as the last person mentioned or to Abraham (him) whom Isaac and Jacob were given to. In either case, the prophethood is stated to belong to Abraham’s descendants. If all prophets are from Abraham’s seed as Surah 29:27 declares, it can hardly be possible that at the same time there are messengers from among every people as stated in Surah 16:36 For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command), “Serve Allah, and eschew Evil”: of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So, travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth). The claim of contradiction then is, does anybody intend to claim that all people groups are physical descendants of Abraham?

In response to the above alleged contradiction it is not true the claim by the disputant that messengers and prophets were chosen only from the descendants of Prophet Abraham through Isaac and Jacob or those of the descendants of the Children of Israel as claimed by some especially the Jews. Allah is fair that all humanity will have a fair chance to receive His warning and glad tidings through messengers from their own people and since Adam He has sent messengers to all generation of communities around the world with the first original message to Adam when he disobeyed his Lord as stated in Surah 2:38-39 We said: “Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. “But those who reject faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.” And this message of warnings and glad tidings had never failed to come through the messengers to all generation of communities, thereafter to Noah as stated in Surah 26:105-108 The people of Noah rejected the apostles. Behold, their brother Noah said to them: “Will ye not fear (Allah)? “I am to you an apostle worthy of all trust: “So fear Allah, and obey me. And after Noah Allah continue sending bringers of warning and glad tidings as in Surah 23:31-32 Then We raised after them another generation. And We sent to them a messenger from among themselves, (saying), “Worship Allah. ye have no other god but Him. Will ye not fear (Him)?” The reason messengers were sent to every communities by justification is stated in Surah 28:59 Nor was thy Lord the one to destroy a population until He had sent to its centre a messenger, rehearsing to them Our Signs; nor are We going to destroy a population except when its members practice iniquity.

However, judging from the writing of the disputant in this article it is clear that he is unaware of the difference between a messenger (Rasul) and a prophet (Nabi), he is assuming all the messengers were equal or are corresponding to all the prophets which it is not. In the Quran it is stated all prophets were messengers but not all messengers were prophets. Messenger who were prophets received a book the examples as stated in Surah 6:83-89 That was the reasoning about Us, which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people: We raise whom We will, degree after degree: for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good: And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous: And Ismael and Elisha, and Jonas, and Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations: (To them) and to their fathers, and progeny and brethren: We chose them, and we guided them to a straight way. This is the guidance of Allah. He giveth that guidance to whom He please, of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him, all that they did would be vain for them. These were the men to whom We gave the Book, and authority, and prophethood: if these (their descendants) reject them, Behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new people who reject them not. The examples of a prophet who is also a messenger is Moses as stated in Surah 19:51 Also mention in the Book (the story of) Moses: for he was specially chosen, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet. And of Ismael at Surah 19:54 Also mention in the Book (the story of) Ismael: He was true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet. And of Muhammad as stated in Surah 7:158 Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So, believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believe in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided.”

Although messengers can come from all communities and irrespective of the times, the prophets were not, they were individuals chosen by Allah from certain communities at specific times. Nevertheless the prophets will not only come from the descendants of Jacob as stated in Surah 29:27 quoted above as claimed by the disputant but there were other individuals as those that has been chosen since the generation of Noah to that of the prophet Muhammad as shown in Surah 4:163 Surely We have revealed to you (O Muhammad) as We revealed to Noah, and the prophets (Nabiyeena) after him, and We revealed to Abraham and Ismael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Isa and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon and We gave to David the Psalms.  However, there is no regulation or limitation on the messengers as that of the prophets as stated in Surah 4:164 And (We sent) messengers We have mentioned to you (O Muhammad) before and messengers we have not mentioned to you; and to Moses, Allah addressed His Word, speaking (to him). From the ending part of this verse 4:164 after Moses messengers will still come to human communities but not any more of the prophets as the Prophet Muhammad is the last of the prophets as stated in Surah 33:40 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. Thus, it is clearly stated in the Quran the messengers were sent to all human communities before and after Muhammad but the prophets were chosen from certain communities not only from Abraham or Jacob but from the seeds which goes back to that of Noah until the time of the days of the Prophet Muhammad. There is therefore no contradiction in the Quran as perceived by the writer but it is the fault of him being lack of knowledge on the differences between a messenger and a prophet as told in the Quran.

Asar

 

Sam Shamoun failed to see “men messengers” mean male and not “female”

Salam,

There is a claim of contradiction by Sam Shamoun in the Quran that messengers came not only from the community human being but also the Jinns and the angels. Sam Shamoun said this is a contradiction since it is stated in the Quran Allah sent only men as messengers stated in Surah 25:20 And the messengers whom We sent before thee were all (men) who ate food and walked through the streets: We have made some of you as a trial for others: will ye have patience? For Allah is One Who sees (all things).

The same statement were stated in in Surah 12:109 Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire, (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand? And the same for Surah 21:7-8 Before thee, also, the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realize this not, ask of those who possess the Message. Nor did We give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they exempt from death. However those verses seem to be in contradiction to other verses which show apart from the “men messengers” there were also jinns and angel messengers as shown in Surah 6:130 “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers from among you, setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?” They will say: “We bear witness against ourselves.” It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith. Apart from men and Jinn it is stated there are also angels as messengers as stated in Surah 11:77 When Our messengers came to Lut, he was grieved on their account and felt himself powerless (to protect) them. He said: “This is a distressful day.”

This passage therefore Sam Shamoun poses a rhetorical question to both the Jinn and men, telling them to recall the fact that Allah sent messengers from amongst them to warn them of the Day of Judgment. The question that naturally arises is what could it possibly mean that Allah sent messengers from the Jinn to warn them about Allah’s judgment? Does Allah actually call on immaterial entities to preach amongst their own kind? The following verses say yes: Surah 22:75 Allah chooses messengers from angels and from men for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). And Surah 35:1 Praise be to Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings, two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things. According to other passages, Allah chose only human messengers to convey the message as stated in Surah 21:7-8 and in Surah 25:20-21 quoted in the opening paragraph of this article. And further it was stated in Surah 41:14 Behold, the messengers came to them, from before them and behind them, (preaching): “Serve none but Allah.” They said, “If our Lord had so pleased, He would certainly have sent down angels (to preach). Now we reject your mission (altogether).” These verses according to Sam Shamoun clearly contradict the passages that state that Allah sent Messengers from both angels and Jinn.

In addition Sam Shamoun claimed there are other passages indicate that the Jinn converted to Islam due to the preaching of human messengers such as Muhammad: Surah 46:29-32 Behold, We turned towards thee a company of Jinns (quietly) listening to the Qur’an: when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, “Listen in silence!” When the (reading) was finished, they returned to their people, to warn (them of their sins). They said, “O our people! We have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it: it guides (men) to the Truth and to a Straight Path. “O our people, hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah, and believe in him: He will forgive you your faults, and deliver you from a Penalty grievous. “If any does not hearken to the one who invites (us) to Allah, he cannot frustrate (Allah’s Plan) on earth, and no protectors can he have besides Allah. Such men (wander) in manifest error.” This implies that Allah used men such as Muhammad, and not Jinn, to convert the Jinn to Islam. Interestingly, the Quran states that Muhammad is a mercy to all creatures, which naturally includes the Jinn: Surah 21:107 We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. According to Sam Shamoun this supports our view that Allah used men such as Muhammad to preach to Jinns. Surah 7:179 “Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell.” Surah 11:117-119 Nor would thy Lord be the One to destroy communities for a single wrong- doing, if its members were likely to mend. If thy Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute. Except those on whom thy Lord hath bestowed His Mercy: and for this did He create them: and the Word of thy Lord shall be fulfilled: “I will fill Hell with jinns and men all together.” And from Surah 51:50-56 Hasten ye then (at once) to Allah. I am from Him a Warner to you, clear and open! And make not another an object of worship with Allah. I am from Him a Warner to you, clear and open! Similarly, no apostle came to the Peoples before them, but they said (of him) in like manner, “A sorcerer, or one possessed”! Is this the legacy they have transmitted, one to another? Nay, they are themselves a people transgressing beyond bounds! So turn away from them: not thine is the blame. But teach (thy Message) for teaching benefits the Believers. I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me. These verses Sam Shamoun said shows and teach that Allah does not punish anyone without first sending them a warner. “setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?”

Thus to him there is the contradiction Quran did not only sent “men messengers” but jinns and angels messengers.

 

To counter the above claim there is actually no dispute in the Quran it is clearly stated that Allah sent messenger among men and jinns as stated in Surah 6:130 “O ye assembly of jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers from amongst you setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?” And while Allah also choses to be messengers were among men and angels as stated in Surah 22:75 Allah chooses messengers from angels and from men for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). Nevertheless there is a difference function as the angel messengers chosen by Allah is to run His errand and not to be a warner or giving glad tidings to their own community but to serve and follow the command of Allah as stated in Surah 32:11 Say: “The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls: then shall ye be brought back to your Lord.” They were also sent to destroyed for their wrong doings of human communities like the people of Lot or the people of Pharaoh as stated in Surah 15:8 We send not the angels down except for just cause: if they came (to the ungodly), behold! No respite would they have!

However when Allah quoted at certain surah that “only men” as at Surah 12:109 Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire, (men) living in human habitations. Or at Surah 21:7 Before thee, also, the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realize this not, ask of those who possess the Message. The “men” in both these verses, Allah is referring to “men” or “male” messengers and none were “female” messengers were sent to human communities. The reason Allah tell Muslims to inquire from those who possessed the previous scriptures is because it is also the same for them none of their “women” or “female” were made messenger that were sent by Allah. Thus “men” messengers hare referred to “male” and not connected to Jinns or angels messengers. There is therefore no contradiction as Sam Shamoun misinterpreted only “men messengers” in those verses disqualified the jinns and the angels being also messengers of Allah.

On Surah 46:29-32 Sam Shamoun claimed that this implies that Allah used men such as Muhammad, and not Jinn, to convert the Jinn to Islam. He claimed by saying interestingly, the Quran states that Muhammad is a mercy to all creatures, which naturally includes the Jinn: Surah 21:107 We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. And he claimed this supports his view that Allah used men such as Muhammad to preach to Jinns. On preaching to the Jinns however there is no basis that Sam Shamoun can claim that Muhammad preach the Quran to the jinns as the verse itself says at Surah 46: 29 “When the (reading) was finished, they returned to their people, to warn (them of their sins). Here it can be observed that it was the jinns themselves not Muhammad who did the preaching to their community what they heard of the Quran and not other than their own specie who warn their communities. Furthermore it is clearly stated in the Quran men and jinns will have their own messenger as stated the Surah 6:130 “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers from amongst you.” Therefore to claim that men messenger going to the jinn is therefore a clear falsehood. Furthermore the Surah 21:107 Allah sent the Prophet Muhammad as a mercy to the worlds or to all creatures indicate a different function not as a messenger which is to warn and give glad tidings but a mercy from Allah is that the Prophet bring light as a mercy as stated in Surah 33:46 And as one who invites to Allah’s (grace) by His leave, and as a lamp spreading light.

On Surah 51:50-56 Sam Shamoun claimed there is contradiction as he said these verses teach that Allah does not punish anyone without first sending them a warner, “setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?” which he linked it to messenger sent must be of the men and jinns. However these verses are not a contradiction as there were among jinns those who believe the truth from the Quran and the Torah and those who reject Allah as stated Surah 72:13-15 And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice. Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah, and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills – they have sought out (the path) of right conduct: ‘But those who swerve, they are (but) fuel for Hell-fire. The jinns therefore have their own messengers giving them the warnings and those who disobey their messengers will be punished and those who follow will receive their rewards in the hereafter. Similarly the human communities will have their own messengers to warn their own communities while the angels served a different function that is to follow and obey the command of Allah. The most glaring point which Sam Shomoun missed is that the verses he gave which referred to only “men messengers” is connected in the Quran that Allah sent no “woman messengers”. There is therefore no contradiction or inconsistency as regards to men, jinns or angel messenger in the Quran as claimed by Sam Shamoun he is actually ignorant of the message of the Quran.

Asar

Debate with atheists on Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)

Salam,

Below is a debate between atheists and the undersigned on the credibility of the Prophet (Pbuh) true personality based on the Quran. A lot of fabrications have been thrown on the Prophet (Pbuh) to tarnish his good name but the Quran have and will always protect his true personality from the mischief makers.

Reign Hard said Mo’s stories from the bible are just wrong. The Virgin Mary is not even a theme in the new testament. Christians made up a story about her being a virgin, whereas she was just a common girl who never sinned. It is known that Muhammad was an orphan. He needed a mother figure, Khadija. I won’t argue with Qur’an verses, nor will I use bible verses. Both come from the brain of mortals. Proving the Qur’an is the ultimate truth by quoting the same Qur’an is a snake eating its own tail.

I told you Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) did not refer to the Bible or any Jewish scripture or worst copied from “made up story by Christians” as you claimed, I am a believer of the Quran and based on Surah 10:94 and Surah 3:60 it confirmed he did not refer to anybody. He did not doubt the Quran at all! And here another confirmation that he did not know anything before he received revelation as stated in Surah 3:44 This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger!) by inspiration: Thou was not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor was thou with them when they disputed (the point).

 

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Reign Hard said are you saying that there were two houses of worship and one of them was the ka’aba? Or that a ka’aba was built after the conquest of Mecca? You are not very clear.

Yes there are 2 places of worship but the kaabah is limited in space maybe it can accommodate about 20 people the most and only dignitaries may have the opportunity to pray inside it. The enclosure outside the Kaabah is where most people establish their prayer and this is known as the Sacred Mosque.

 

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Reign Hard said read his biography, during the time he was a sales traveller for Khadija (that was before she married him) he spoke a lot with Jews and Christians who used to sit on a corner and exchanged religious matters Even a child can recognize the stories from the Bible. They are much more detailed in the book of the people of the book. He just didn’t know them well enough. Muhammad claimed that the gospel had come down like his own Qur’an, every Christian knows that this is not the case.

Well Reign Hard the Christians and the Jews did say these to him –

And they say: “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” Those are their (vain) desires. Say: “Produce your proof if ye are truthful.” Nay, whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good, He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. And the Jews tell him about the Christians as stated in Surah 2:113 The Jews say: “The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: “The Jews have naught (To stand) upon.” Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.

The Prophet (Pbuh) will never say the Gospel come down like his Quran it is the revelation that were the same for all messengers as stated in Surah 4:163 We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. So you are wrong to say that the Prophet (Pbuh) said the Gospel came down like the Quran.

 

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Reign Hard said first he thought that his revelations would be a kind of third book but the Christians that converted were just a few. Later on in life, when he saw that only a few Jews came over to his side, he started to loathe them. The change of ‘Allah’s’ mind is clearly noticeable in the Qur’an for those who are not afraid to question Islam.

Why should he loathe at them or change his tactic first there is no compulsion in religion at Surah 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah hears and know all things. And at Surah 10:108 Say: “O ye men! Now Truth hath reached you from your Lord! Those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss: and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs.” He obeyed Allah not to compel others.

 

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Peter Anthony said Reign Hard you cannot reason with towel heads. If Allah wanted he just could have snapped his fingers and given Muhammad the Koran then order Jibril to teach him to read daily. No need to write on stones sheep skins and bones and what not negating the belief he is a provider.

What kind of rubbish stones, sheep skins and bones are you talking about Peter Anthony? The Quran is a book during the prophet’s time see this Surah 39:23 Allah has revealed the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah’s praises. Such is the guidance of Allah: He guides there with whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide.

 

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Peter Anthony said the sexual drive of Muhammed and his attempt to justify 11 wives a child wife and the stealing of his adopted son in law’s wife is a clear indication of a man who had no morals.

All the Prophet’s wives were chosen by Allah which the Prophet had to follow see this at Surah 33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee.

 

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Peter Anthony said the sexual drive of Muhammed and his attempt to justify 11 wives, a child wife and the stealing of his adopted son in law’s wife is a clear indication of a man who had no moral.

What child wife are you talking about Peter Anthony in the Quran there is the marriage test only morons will believe he married a child –

Surah 4:6 Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them. A six year old will not only be unable to manage her own house but not even matured to even mixed her own tea!

 

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Peter Anthony said the sexual drive of Muhammed and his attempt to justify 11 wives a child wife and the stealing of his adopted son in law’s wife is a clear indication of a man who had no moral.

What stealing of his adopted son’s wife are you talking about? He refused to marry her but Allah commanded him to do so, see this –

Surah 33:37-38 Behold! Thou (O Muhammad) did say to one (Zaid) who had received the grace of Allah and thy (Muhammad) favor: “Retain thou (Zaid in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah.” But thou (Muhammad) did hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou (Muhammad) did fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou (Muhammad) should fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee (Muhammad): in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah’s command must be fulfilled. There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what Allah has indicated to him as a duty.

The Prophet was ashamed and fear the people reaction to marry his adopted son’s wife but Allah commanded him to obey so it is not his choice as you falsely claimed Peter Anthony he has to obey the command of Allah!

 

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Peter Anthony said to further feed his sex drive he kept slave girls,beheaded the men raped the women and forced them to be his wives…This itself tells you the questionable character of this man . No other prophet is so sick …From the time Islam appeared till today there is no peace it is supposed to be a religion of peace

Where did you get this information Peter Anthony? Did you pick it from garbage written by 9th century Persian morons? The Persians had always hated the Arabs!

 

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Peter Anthony said Allahu Akbar is always a war cry…

Where did you get Allahu Akbar as his war cry? The Prophet (Pbuh) never used such name as it cannot be found anywhere in the Quran but here is how he called on Allah –

Surah 17:110-111 Say: “Call upon Allah, or call upon Al Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between.” Say: “Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!”

He called on Allah not as Akbar as Al Kabir as stated in Surah 13:9 He know the unseen and that which is open: He is the Great (Al Kabir), the Most High.

 

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Peter Anthony said they just made up stories about him, sanctified him perfumed him up, placed him equal with Allah.

So don’t blame the Prophet (Pbuh) Peter Anthony for what others do, he is not equal to Allah and he said it see Surah 18:110 Say: “I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.

 

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Peter Anthony said thev idealogy of lslam is to create a world order using Islam and it’s Sharia….it will never have peace ..Even by itself in the middle East there is no peace.. Europe opened its doors to migrants with Christian charity taking care of them with their citizens tax . It’s being paid with ingratitude and refusal to integrate with crimes against the very people who fed them…aim being again to build an Islamic World order.

It is not the teaching of the Quran Peter Anthony it is the teaching of the religion of hadith written by 9th century Persian morons. So do your homework first and when you are ready to blame the Quranic teaching you may come to me otherwise don’t waste my time!

 

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Peter Anthony said basic teaching of violence comes from the Quran.

 The Quran does not teach violence you are quoting garbage religion written by 9th century Persian morons where they pick killing punishment from the Bible like stoning the fornicators or killing the apostate and many other killing laws.

Here is what is being taught in the Quran

Surah 60:8 Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

Surah 26:227 Except those who believe, work righteousness, engage much in the remembrance of Allah, and defend themselves only after they are unjustly attacked. And soon will the unjust assailants know what vicissitudes their affairs will take!

Surah 22:39 To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged; and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid;-

Surah 42:41-42 But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame. The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous.

Surah 2:190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah love not transgressors.

 

Asar

 

 

 

 

 

Sam Shamoun misunderstanding on Allah, Adam, and the Angels

Salam,

To make his criticism on the Quran Sam Shamoun quoted Surah 2:30-38 And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy (khaleefatan) in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not. And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful. They said: Be glorified! We have no knowledge saving that which Thou hast taught us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower, the Wise. He said: O Adam! Inform them of their names, and when he had informed them of their names, He said: Did I not tell you that I know the secret of the heavens and the earth? And I know that which ye disclose and which ye hide. And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever. And We said: O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers. But Satan caused them to deflect therefrom and expelled them from the (happy) state in which they were; and We said: Fall down, one of you a foe unto the other! There shall be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a time. Then Adam received from his Lord words (of revelation), and He relented toward him. Lo! He is the relenting, the Merciful. We said: Go down, all of you, from hence; but verily there cometh unto you from Me a guidance; and whoso follow My guidance, there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. Translation by Pickthall.

Sam claimed that these passages bring up several questions.

FIRST, Sam Shamoun said how did the angels know what the condition of man would be prior to his creation? Where did they get the idea that man would be a violent creature? Who told them? The text doesn’t say anything about Allah giving them this piece of information. Are angels omniscient? SECONDLY, Allah secretly teaches Adam unspecified names in order to silence the angels for complaining against man. Was it not unfair for Allah to teach Adam these names and then proceed to challenge the angels to do likewise? Does Allah have to use deception and lies in order to vindicate himself against the charges brought against Adam by the angels (charges which turned out to be correct)? Is it not obvious that Adam would have been just as ignorant as the angels were regarding these things had it not been for Allah teaching him? What kind of vindication is this seeing that Adam only knew of these names because Allah taught him, whereas the angels were ignorant because Allah hadn’t taught them these things? And how does the naming of things justify the creation of man despite all the evil and violence he will commit? After all, if there is a superior value in humans that justifies their creation, despite their violent and sinful behavior, then it should be stated in a clear way instead of using deceptive tricks that hardly show the superiority of humans. Allah could have taught those names to anyone. This act of teaching man to name all things does not provide a sufficient reason at all why humans should be created despite the fact that they will shed blood. Allah could have simply taught those names to the angels, and then somebody would know them (if that was the objective), without there being bloodshed. So what is the point of the story, really? THIRDLY, after using deception to silence the angels Allah then proceeds to command the angels to worship the man. This command to worship was obviously the result of the man having bested them by naming the things which Allah had personally taught him. We therefore need to ask, why make angels worship Adam for being able to name things that they couldn’t when the man only knew these names as a result of Allah having taught them to him? And why is Allah commanding them to bow down to Adam, a creature, when it is absolutely forbidden to do so in Islam? If it is argued that the prostration signified respect and not worship then why are such acts of respect forbidden in Islam today? It is obvious that Allah, unlike the true God of the Holy Bible, is always changing his mind and commands as time goes by.

 

To answer the first question the angels did not know the condition of man prior to his creation but the situational happening on earth gave them the idea that man will do the same if he is being placed there. It is stated in the Quran at Surah 31:10 He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. From the information given by this verse on the beast it is undeniable that all the beasts as we know it did not live in harmony they have to fight for their food and this is as a sign that the angels knew that man will do the same.

On the second issue Sam raised that Allah teaches Adam to the disadvantage of the angels it is absolutely justifiable as in the first place the angels with pride were saying “we celebrate thy praises and glorify thy holy name.” as if they will be in that confortable situation all the time. Thus from the situation of being self-esteemed of the angels it can be seen that the teaching of naming things served a purpose which is as a mean to establish who is the knower of all things, Allah or the angels who gave their reason by circumstantial evidences. There is therefore no deception when Allah teaches Adam the name of things it is part of His favor whom He wish to give knowledge more than the other where in this case He preferred to give to man. Nevertheless the main point of the story is that When Allah decides on a matter it is to be obeyed and not to be opposed or contested.

On the third comment it is a misunderstanding on the part of Sam Shamoun to say that Allah commanded the angel to worship Adam. In the Quran prostration also means to show respect or humility by the action of the lowering of the chin while still on the standing position as stated in Surah 17:107 Say: “Whether ye believe in it or not, it is true that those who were given knowledge beforehand, when it is recited to them, lower down for the chin (lilazkhani) in humble prostration. And in another example to show human humility and modesty is stated at Surah 2:58 And remember We said: “Enter this town, and eat of the plenty therein as ye wish; but enter the gate with humility, (sujudan) in posture and in words, and We shall forgive you your faults and increase (the portion of) those who do good.” The action is still lowering the chin while standing or walking but would not be that of prostration on the ground. Thus the command to the angels in prostration is to show their respect to Adam but most important it is for the angels to obey Allah’s command but not as misunderstood earlier by Sam Shamoun claiming prostration is to worship Adam.

The act of humility which is forbidden and reserved for Allah only in Islam is “prostration in submission” which is the humblest position by putting the forehead on the ground as described when Abraham put his son in a position of submission as stated in Surah 37:103 So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice), This is the kind of prostration on the forehead is reserved for Allah thus there is clear demarcation of humility described in the Quran for fellow human and for Allah.

Asar

Sam Shamoun on sunset in Quran at Surah 18:86

Salam,

 This article is to answer Sam Shamoun allegation of contradiction in the Quran on “The place of sunrise and sunset” at Surah 18:86 and Surah 18:90 and on Zulqarnain being Alexander the Great..

Surah 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a people: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.” And Surah 18:90 Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for hom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.

First the alleged contradiction above was made that it is scientifically proven that the sun does not go down in a muddy spring. Second: This seems to presuppose a flat earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? It does not say, he went as far as possible on land in these directions and then observed the sun-rise or sun-set while standing at this shore. A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the sun sets and in his second journey the place where it rises. Since the earth is a globe, and the sun millions of miles away from the earth (150 million kilometers on average over the year), the setting of the sun always appears to take place far away, somewhere on or behind the horizon. In phenomenological language it may still be acceptable to speak of “the place where the sun sets” when it is done from the view point of someone who is far away from this place. For example, a traveler could say that he was moving in direction of “where the sun is setting.” However, the Quran goes beyond what is possible in phenomenological language when it states that Zul-Qarnain reached the place where the sun sets, i.e. the Quran is speaking of a human being who traveled to the place of the setting of the sun. Such a statement is wrong in any kind of language, since such a place does not exist on this earth. This is a serious error that was introduced into the Quran because the author mistook a legend to be literal and historical truth.

Furthermore: Yusuf Ali in his commentary reports that Zul-qarnain is thought to be Alexander the Great. And so does the “Concise Dictionary of Islam.” Looking at verses 98-101, this would make Alexander the Great a Muslim — 1000 years before Muhammad. Yet that is for sure not true. The history does not relate that Alexander the Great had any other religion than the pagan Greeks he came from and ruled over. This is historically blatantly false.

 

It is common knowledge when one speaks of sunset or sunrise it is just an expression of speech there is nothing scientific attached to it. It is known universally from ancient time until the modern time the expression is still the same the sun rise in the east and set in the west. When the sun set it will becomes dark and when it rises the day will become brighter. As a matter of speech in the case of Zulqarnain at Surah 18:86 “when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water” can be taken as a parable that he had travelled deep and far into the west until darkness catch with him and he met with a people at a spring of murky water. Similarly he went far and deep into the east very early in the morning as stated in Surah 18:90 “and Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.” This is just a simple expression of speech to show Zulqurnain travelled deep west until darkness and started his travel to the east very early. Thus if the Quran is unscientific for using these kind of expression of speech about sunset and sunrise then the Bible is no less being unscientific for using the same expression of speech as stated in the following verses when Jacob face to face with God and sun rose upon him in Genesis 32:30-31 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh And in another example the use of the word sunset on the prophets at Micah 3:6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.

 On the claim Zulqurnain being Alexander the Great if made by any Muslim scholar there is no basis as in the Quran Zulqurnain first went deep into the west then only he moved deep into the east whereas Alexander went east never deep into the west of his kingdom.

 

Asar

 

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